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The Mystery "Jeep" Tank Tracks

Dan from Albuquerque, NM is looking for a little help.  He's trying to find out a little more information on a recent purchase that may intrigue a few Jeep guys.  He recently took possession of a set of "tank tracks" that were apparently manufactured for a Jeep with an 81 inch wheelbase.  That would most likely put them under a 1955 through 1971 CJ-5 platform with the 81 inch wheelbase.

This is what Dan has been told about this rare find.  They were manufactured by a company called "A. F. Wagner Industries Inc." of concord California.  They were made sometime during the mid 60s and there was only 6 sets made and were apparently expensive and thus may be the reason there were so few made.  They are called "Wagner-Trac" and were made specifically as a set of tank tracks for a jeep with a wheelbase of 81 inches. The wheelbase is not adjustable so the wheelbase is critical and just like a tank you would have to install turning brakes to drive the Jeep because the steering is null and void as soon as you bolt them on.  They are all steel construction so were probably designed for offroad only.  Dan plans to disassemble them, repack the bearings and maybe throw on a paint job before bolting them up to his Jeep.  We hope to see some progress and after pictures from Dan, which we'll post here.  Imagine seeing these under a 1955 through 1971 CJ-5!

If you know anything about these "Wagner-Trac" tracks, please drop us a line using the form below!  Even if you are venturing a guess, we'd love to hear from you.  We'll post any new information on this page in the future including your guesses and insight.

Here is the first set of photos of the Tank Tracks.

 


This is an artist rendering (Dan's brother), not the actual install.


Phase 2 - Acquiring a Jeep

The next step for Dan was to get a Jeep CJ-5 to mate up with the Wagner-tracs.  Within days Dan got back to us with this:

Dan: I'm buying a jeep!  I'm driving to Colorado tomorrow at the crack of dawn and trailering it back, its about 475 miles away. Its a 67, V6, nice body, brand new 31s and rims, engine is rebuilt (2400 miles) bored 30 over. Top needs work a little torn up and it doesn't charge but the price is right! 2500.

So I guess the big question is....where do I buy olive drab paint! or is there a paint code for that? I'm all about making a "military prototype" he he he. I guess ill have to do some research to get the lettering and numbering correct.

Dan


Phase 3 - Installing the Wagner-Tracs

Two days later Dan's got the wrenches in hand and he's test fitting the tracks onto the his 1967 Jeep CJ-5.  He includes these notes along with a set of photos.

I'm attaching a bunch of pics from my first trial fit. Wooo these are a BITCH to put on. As you lift the jeep up the springs unload and the shackles swing. So the wheelbase changes. I originally lifted the jeep up by the frame using a floor jack from the opposite side of the jeep so the jack wouldn't be in the way. That wasn't working, so I then lowered it down on the tires laying flat on the ground under the axle, then jacked up just the back by the end of the axle and bolted on the track. Lowered it back down and picked up the front by the axle. So with the weight of the vehicle on the springs I flattened them out a little and I got the shackles to swing out a little so the wheel base would line up. I also turned the steering a little to help get them started. It took a while but I got it on. The funny thing is the jeep has brand new 32x11.5 tires and the tracks sit about 2.5 inches higher!

It don't look quite right to me, it looks like the front track maybe narrower than the rear. Do you know if the 67 had the same track front and rear or were they a little different? I guess the best way to figure this out is to bolt on the second side and measure the tracks total width. That I can do by myself. But measuring the track of the axles accurately is considerably harder.  - Dan
  

 

Bill from New Castle Delaware contacted us recently and said he had an ad for the Wagner Trac that probably dates about 1969, which he had acquired off of EBay.  Below is the flyer ad, front and back.  Also below is another Jeep Track set called "Globe Power Trax" made by Globe Machine Manufacturing Co. from around the same time frame.
 

Globe Power Trac Ad.
Globe Machine Manufacturing Co.
Circa: 1969

 

Comments:
Back in the late 60's or early 70's, Four-wheeler magazine had an article about this conversion.  A buddy of mine had a CJ and was interested until he saw the price...  Good Luck with this project, and post up some pics of it "doin' dirty"! 
 
- Charlie, Winchester, IL
 

Saw one of these for sale up in Spokane, Washington last year. The forestry service used to use them for the high country winter jobs they had. Strictly off road only, because the tank treads rip up asphalt.
 
- P, Florence, AZ
 

 
I recall many years ago while driving through southern California seeing a Jeep on a flatbed trailer that had tank tracks on it.  I remember thinking wow, that different.  I figured it was some sort of military experiment however this Jeep was tan and didn't look military.  The truck wasn't either.  That's all I have to offer.  I'll keep checking back to see what transpires!

- Joe from Albuquerque, New Mexico
 


Well your on the right track so to speak I have seen three sets of these tracks on 60's model cj while I was stationed in Camp lejeune with 6th marines. My understanding is that these were military options only for jeeps in higher elevations with more chance to see snow year round and harsh terrain. to add more fuel to the fire there were 2 M37 dodges that had a similar setup that i saw while in Bridgeport California. I do have pictures somewhere but i am not sure, if i can locate them i will share them with you. Now here is an idea for the "skid steer" hydraulic valves could work if you plumb your right front and right rear into one valve controlable in the cab via a lever you can steer and still have your service brakes, i have used a similar setup on rock crawlers to make them a lil more nimble on the trail. good luck cant wait to see the finished product
 
- Rick from Saint Marys, PA
 
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